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Post by beautifutbolman on Nov 5, 2014 13:54:58 GMT
Who would like to have a league where you can pick any team you want. Personally I play for enjoyment and if I can beat Real Madrid with Celtic than even better. One division were members new members can join whenever so that we can hopefully expand. We haven't had a new member since 2 weeks ago I believe, maybe we need to mix things up.
Site seems to be very quiet and would like to know where everyone stood on this.
Also post whether you would like to see 10 minute games on slow speed.
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Post by theeggster on Nov 5, 2014 15:00:31 GMT
I vote yes . Good football first before winning has to be our motto!
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Post by Spacedeck on Nov 5, 2014 15:57:59 GMT
It's a good ideaa. Although it would discourage anybody picking low level star teams, due to the difference between good and bad players.
And please yes! 10 minutes and slow! This Normal BS is really doing me in. When I play the other League on Slow and then play this on Normal. this feels way too fast paced.
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Post by theeggster on Nov 5, 2014 16:13:31 GMT
That's the point. Winning isn't be all end all. It's just playing with a team you want to. You want to win league and pick Real Madrid and you are a great player than fine. If you are a okay player and want to pick birmingham City and play Real Madrid for fun than fine etc etc.
I want to play this game manually so I can attempt to play some good football . Don't expect anyone to let me win I would hate that but let's tone down the pressure and aggression and one pass , through ball score tactics.
If I lost 5-1 but my goal was the best that would be victory for me!
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Post by beautifutbolman on Nov 5, 2014 16:28:18 GMT
Yes that's what I miss the most from seasons the chance to beat a top side with a minnow.
We can have a sort of expectation for each star team, say you pick a 5 star team a top four finish should be necessary to keep same team or change to another one.
5 star team = top 3 finish
4.4 team = 4-6 place finish
4 star team = 6-9 finish
3.5 team = 10-12
3 star teams and lower that finish above 13th place gets to pick another team a half star higher (if) he wants something like promotion.
On the other hand higher rated teams that don't meet the required table finish gets to pick a half star lower rated team.
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Post by theeggster on Nov 5, 2014 17:10:21 GMT
We must get that beat the King started then at least.
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Post by joeissimo on Nov 5, 2014 17:27:37 GMT
Yes and Yes!
I think it would be a lot more fun to use a team that we like to play with rather than forcing an unknown team. Also i like to play longer match and slower speed as well.
As for playing style, i think its everybody's freedom to play how they want, as long as no sprinting and pressure for 90 mins im fine with that, at the end of the day no one should only be allowed to play only if they use slow buildup style.
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Post by Daadoo13 on Nov 5, 2014 17:39:13 GMT
I'm seeing some really good things, guys! Love the fact that you're all so engaged, that's needed to take this place forward and expand.
I'm currently at work but I'll try to get on the laptop tonight and have my say on everything.
Cheers, guys.
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Post by theeggster on Nov 5, 2014 18:43:26 GMT
In my opinion slow build up is the only way to play manual.You want fast two pass shoot then I two pass shoot games why not play assisted?Thats the only way to play in assisted it seems. Why play manual which takes a bit of skill when all you want to do is play I shoot you shoot tennis?
This game would be good if people tried to play like the cpu plays. I am close to quitting this game altogether if the manual philosophy is going to go like the average assisted players...
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Post by Daadoo13 on Nov 6, 2014 0:11:40 GMT
Alright! I finally have some time to have my say on things.
First of all, I'll gladly agree to change the game speed to "Slow". The reason why this hasn't been done is that I read somewhere that choosing "Slow" as game speed only affects the player inviting. We'll never really find out if we don't change it though. Consider that done for the official tournaments! 10 minutes could be something aswell. I just hope we can keep it realistic so it doesn't end up with 7-8 goals in every single match.
Second of all, I would also sometimes like to play in a league where I can use any team of my own choice but that would delete the professionalism of the league as it is now. I'm open for us to host a sort of "friendly league" on the side of the official tournaments where one can pick any team. I just don't believe in the concept of having a league with free teams to choose without a competitive option with fair circumstances for everyone. I'm just afraid a league of that kind could lead to bitterness and conflicts because of the variety in teams.
In a dreamworld, we could set limits on "Pressure" and Custom tactics but there is no way that we'll be able to monitor that on every single player. And even if I somewhat agree on limiting pressure and through balls and such we simply can't do that. Everyone has to be allowed to play the way they want, we can only convince aggressive players that it's much more enjoyable to play in a slow way where you build up attacks. You must be allowed to play in an attacking and fast way because sometimes that's what teams do in real life aswell and you can do it without applying full pressure and aggression.
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Post by Spacedeck on Nov 6, 2014 10:15:58 GMT
Couple of examples I could mention, which we abide by in the other league and it is more enjoyable for all.
On throw ins - if ball is in your half and you throw the ball back. The other team has to let you breath and get steady again. In your attackers half towards goal, then defend all you want to.
Goal kicks - no pressing the players closest to the keeper. Even running up and back between them and midfield isn't on.
Pretty much goes like this, if your opponent has the ball in his own half and does not pose a threat to you or the goal. Then let them breath. Don't go all guns blazing trying to chase down every single ball and mistake.
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Post by theeggster on Nov 6, 2014 10:25:03 GMT
That sounds a1 mate. They are the old standards of full manual play . I find alot of players start playing like this but when they go a goal down they lose their scruples and go back to dont give a fuck mode...
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Post by joeissimo on Nov 7, 2014 13:59:25 GMT
In my opinion slow build up is the only way to play manual.You want fast two pass shoot then I two pass shoot games why not play assisted?Thats the only way to play in assisted it seems. Why play manual which takes a bit of skill when all you want to do is play I shoot you shoot tennis? This game would be good if people tried to play like the cpu plays. I am close to quitting this game altogether if the manual philosophy is going to go like the average assisted players... I understand your point but it takes skills to be able to pick out your player with one pass and get in a shot. I enjoyed those long through ball it gave me satisfaction coz its not like assisted you just close ur eye and press a button, you need skills bro. to a certain extend i agree how manual players should play their game, but if it got too limited like if you dont play slow build up, or you should just stand there dont do anything until ur opponent is in ur penalty area, or if you are a goal down you cant change ur playing style to be more direct, then you dont deserve to be manual player, i think thats a bit too far. Its only my own opinion though. |
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Post by beautifutbolman on Nov 7, 2014 14:24:51 GMT
Pressure is a very important part of the game(real footy) but there are ways to go about applying it in fifa.
One that it's very annoying is when you are given no time on the ball, I mean you have two players coming at you full speed and you barely have time to react. You apply pressure with the player you are controlling while sending teammate to double team.
That's the cheap way to defend, especially when doing it in your opponents side of the pitch.
The way I think manual players should defend is by simply blocking the passing lanes. You play and let your opponent playing wants all day on the ball?Then pressure him, but to steal the ball at least use the tackle button, imo is the closest thing to manual defending that we have Let him beat you by showing he can pass into tight spaces. Isn't what we eat joy about manual? , being able to pass the ball where you want.
I understand if you are losing the game and last 15 minutes want to go all attack high pressure crazy but don't do it from the get go.
Phone thing I don't like is giving your opponent a free/easy goal kick. If he wants to play it short to one of his defenders than he should know that he is at risk of losing the ball. Just kick it to the sidelines or far up the pitch. That's why you don't see it a lot in the real game. Because it's risky.
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Post by Spacedeck on Nov 7, 2014 14:49:45 GMT
Pressure is a very important part of the game(real footy) but there are ways to go about applying it in fifa. One that it's very annoying is when you are given no time on the ball, I mean you have two players coming at you full speed and you barely have time to react. You apply pressure with the player you are controlling while sending teammate to double team. That's the cheap way to defend, especially when doing it in your opponents side of the pitch. The way I think manual players should defend is by simply blocking the passing lanes. You play and let your opponent playing wants all day on the ball?Then pressure him, but to steal the ball at least use the tackle button, imo is the closest thing to manual defending that we have Let him beat you by showing he can pass into tight spaces. Isn't what we eat joy about manual? , being able to pass the ball where you want. I understand if you are losing the game and last 15 minutes want to go all attack high pressure crazy but don't do it from the get go. Phone thing I don't like is giving your opponent a free/easy goal kick. If he wants to play it short to one of his defenders than he should know that he is at risk of losing the ball. Just kick it to the sidelines or far up the pitch. That's why you don't see it a lot in the real game. Because it's risky. Yes pressure is and always will be apart of the game of football, but never to the extent that I see it being abused on FIFA. Again, I agree. You shouldn't feel pressed or pressured in your own half. It is a cheap tactic to get the ball for an easy goal. Also take notes that under pressure, players don't perform the same. If you pass under pressure there can be a very good chance he will fluff the ball and it won't reach the intended target. The thing about free kicks / goal kicks. Especially with them fast free kicks. If the FK taker has kicked the ball, but its intercepted right in front of him by his opponent, the ball will be brought back to retake. I personally think that this game needs to breathe a little, players need to feel relaxed, not bombarded with pressure. The game in real life is 90 minutes long, nobody will bombard their opponent for the length of the game. Goal kicks though, this is something which does annoy me. If I play short, I am in no way a threat to your goal. You don't see players in real life taking advantages of things like this, and sometimes if they have done. It isn't often. Players are allowed to take control back and get the ball moving before anyone even attempts to push them. Also because it would open up the field, which obviously isn't an issue on FIFA. But for tricksters, all I can say is please stop. I don't care how good you are at them. This is very unrealistic to the game of football. No player, even in the higher leagues, spends the whole game doing tricks because it is too risky. Fake shots confuse the hell out of defenders this year to make an easy pass. I don't care if you do some tricks yes, but do not do them constantly with the same player, every 10 seconds. |
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Post by theeggster on Nov 7, 2014 15:22:54 GMT
Got to admit more than one fake shot/ pass in a row really stinks of desperation ! I am starting to think if the game allows someone to play a certain way then what can you do?  Play or Quit .... |
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Post by theeggster on Nov 7, 2014 15:50:25 GMT
Got to say passing is what playing full manual is about in my humble opinion . The two best passers I have played On this forum are Mr Beauitifotbolman and sxg20 Sven Gooris.
I'm even sure that sxg20 holds back to pass than to score against you! He plays so good ! And we all know about bolman ....
It's just the win at all costs thing which I hate. Mautrix is one and ironically he hardly wins...lol
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